FIREARMS INFORMATION
After World War I, the ’03 Springfield remained the standardized U.S. Military service rifle, even though there were larger numbers of Model 1917 in inventory. Some Model 1917s were called back. This one was made by Eddystone, which was a subsidiary of Remington located in Eddystone, PA. The serial number of 710XXX puts production of this rifle sometime in July.
You do indeed have an unusually high Remington serial number. Ferris published an excellent reference book on the Model 1917 rifle several years ago. The last number recorded in his serial number and barrel date table is S/N 655243. His book indicates that Remington assembled 647,358 complete rifles, but received payment for an unspecified. Remington Model 1917 Rifle Serial Numbers Projectlibre Change Language Forged In Fire Viking Sword Winner Sims 4 Star Wars Cc Lg Network Storage Pc Software Installer Download Powerdirector 8 Free Full Version With Crack R.kelly Tp3 Reloaded Zip Tuxera Ntfs For Mac 10.4 Microsoft Office Home For Mac Download. Remington model 1891 - 1917 Mosin Nagant rifle SERIAL NUMBER 9 in excellent condition with exceptional features. In order to supply his Military needs during WWI in 1915 the Tsar of Russia ordered one million five hundred thousand (1,500.000) model 1891 rifles from Remington Arms and one million eight hundred thousand (1,800,000) rifles from Westinghouse.
Remington never (*) (**) used serial numbers to identify the date of manufacture of it's firearms, they however stamped a date code (spelled out below) by the first letter meaning the month and the last letter the yearof manufacture.
BARREL DATE CODE - stamped exposed on LH top rear of barrel after 1920
the following will only be stamped where applicable
#2 Part order barrel (not originally assembled to firearm)
#3 Service section received
#4 Return as received
#5 Employee sale
R.E.P. On the RH side of the barrel will be a Magnaflux, Remington proof & a test mark
If a gun is returned to the factory as a fire damaged, or blown up firearm, the factory will stamp it as a prefix to their date code with a #4 on the barrel and return it un-repaired. Then if the gun is ever subsequently returned to a warranty center or the factory by ANYONE, they will refuse to work on it as an unsafe firearm.
REMINGTON MANUFACTURING DATE CODE
stamped on LH top rear of barrel, 2 or 3 digit, (month first, year after) these will normally only be the last letters as seen below,
Winchester Type I Front Sight
with the whole list shown here ONLY if it had been returned for repairs
The anchor shown here with the date code is just a symbol, as many different inspector marks will be seen
The above information was taken from Remington's own information sheet, so if your gun may not conform, then I am also at a loss in explaining.
The factory says all barrels are date code stamped, well I have found some that are not, or if they are, are so erratic stamping that trying to decipher them is impossible.
The photos below may help a bit. Both were taken off Remington 760s, with the one on the left, a 30-06 that I bought new October 10, 1954. This has been rebored to a 35 Whelen Improved. The one on the right again a 30-06, but with a shorter barrel that I made into a knock around quad rifle with pivot mounts.
Here the R represents November, & the ZZ would be 1953. The fourth digit being a 3 is inconsequential being an assembly number. There is no inspector mark on this side. | Here the first (LH) mark is the final inspector mark, the O represents July, the R would be 1968. And the F again being an assembly number. |
JAN | FEB | MAR | APR | MAY | JUN | JUL | AUG | SEP | OCT | NOV | DEC |
B | L | A | C | K | P | O | W | D | E | R | X |
1920 = L | 1930 = Y | 1940 = J | 1950 = WW |
1921 = M | 1931 = Z | 1941 = K | 1951 = XX |
1922 = N | 1932 = A | 1942 = L | 1952 = YY |
1923 = P | 1933 = B | 1943 = MM | 1953 = ZZ |
1924 = R | 1934 = C | 1944 = NN | 1954 = A (JAN. AA) |
1925 = S | 1935 = D | 1945 = PP | 1955 = B |
1926 = T | 1936 = E | 1946 = RR | 1956 = C |
1927 = V | 1937 = F | 1947 = SS | 1957 = D |
1928 = W | 1938 = G | 1948 = TT | 1958 = E |
1929 = X | 1939 = H | 1949 = UU | 1959 = F |
1960 = G | 1970 = T | 1980 = A | 1990 = K |
1961 = H | 1971 = U | 1981 = B | 1991 = L |
1962 = J | 1972 = W | 1982 = C | 1992 = M |
1963 = K | 1973 = X | 1983 = D | 1993 = N |
1964 = L | 1974 = Y | 1984 = E | 1994 = O |
1965 = M | 1975 = Z | 1985 = F | 1995 = P |
1966 = N | 1976 = I | 1986 = G | 1996 = Q |
1967 = P | 1977 = O | 1987 = H | 1997 = R |
1968 = R | 1978 = Q | 1988 = I | 1998 = S |
1969 = S | 1979 = V | 1989 = J | *1999 = T |
(*) Typically from the beginning, they NEVER used serial numbers to DATE their long firearms, but date codes. That does not preclude them from also assigning serial numbers. However for factory purposes, serial numbers were not the primary method of dating a firearm. Long guns made before 1941 (WWII) were serial numbered, even the 22 calibers. After the war with numerous new 22 caliber models being introduced, serial numbers were not assigned to ALL GUNS until the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968.
(**) On 8/9/99, they stopped stamping the barrels with the date code. They however continued to mark the date code on the end flap of the shipping box for shotgun barrels however. They planned on using just the serial numbers to tell when the gun was manufactured. So there was a 2 year gap in rifle date coded barrels and the normal consumer, or gunsmith would have to contact the factory for this information. They then saw the error of their ways apparently because of being inundated by phone calls and resumed stamping the date code on the barrel on 10/1/01.
*2000 = U | 2006 = A | 2012 = G | 2018 = M |
*2001 = V | 2007 = B | 2013 = H | 2019 = N |
2002 = W | 2008 = C | 2014 = I | 2020 = O |
2003 = X | 2009 = D | 2015 = J | 2021 = P |
2004 = Y | 2010 = E | 2016 = K | 2022 = Q |
2005 = Z | 2011 = F | 2017 = L | 2023 = R |
You will notice the year code repeats itself, but over 20 years difference. in this instance, you will need to know when each model was manufactured. To find general manufacturing dates it may be best to go to the Blue Book of Gun Values, which does give manufacturing dates of most models. So even if it (the code stamping) was used on the same model that could have been production over MANY years, in all likelihood sights or stocks would be different which would indicate the different date.
You will also notice the month code spelling out BLACKPOWDERX, this is a common code in the firearms industry. Also some letters were left out if there was a chance of misidentifying a date. Also they jockeyed year letters to a new starting point in 1980.
Also for the 870 and 1100 series shotguns there was a code to identify caliber/size of the actions.
M/870 LETTER PREFIX
1950 TO APPROX 1968: NO SERIAL NUMBER PREFIX
1968 TO PRESENT: LETTERS USED (IN SEQUENCE) S-68, T-74, V-78, W-84, X-90, A-91, B-94, C-97, D-01, AB-05
LETTER SUFFIX (DESIGNATES GAUGE)
V 12 GA. (2 3/4”)
M 12 GA. MAGNUM (3”)
A 12 GA. “SUPER” MAGNUM (3 ½”)
W 16 GA. ( 2 ¾” )
X 20 GA. “HEAVY FRAME” (DISCONTINUED)
N 20 GA. “HEAVY FRAME MAGNUM” (DISCONTINUED)
K 20 GA. “LIGHT WEIGHT” (“LW”) (ALSO INCLUDES M/1100 “LT”)
U 20 GA. LW MAGNUM (ALSO INCLUDES M/1100 “LT”)
J 28 GA.
H .410 BORE (2 ½” OR 3”)
MODEL 1100 LETTER PREFIX
1964 TO APPROX. 1968: NO SERIAL NUMBER PREFIX
1968 TO PRESENT: LETTERS USED (IN SEQUENCE) L-68, M-74, N-78, P-85, R-90
LETTER SUFFIX
SAME STRUCTURE AS THE M/870
If you find marks on the underside of the barrel, they will more than likely be fitters or assembly marks, which mean nothing as to dating the firearm.
I have seen one EARLY 740 S/N 54,9XX that has a barrel date coded May of 1969, which apparently had been sent back to the factory and rebarreled with a original 740 barrel instead of a 742 which was in production at that time.
An issue that people need to be aware of, is that many Remington firearms such as the 870 series of shotguns can have their barrels easily changed or replaced. So, if the barrel is not original to the specific firearm in question the barrel date code may be meaningless. Also if there is a custom or aftermarket barrel installed it will not have these factory codes.
Compunding the issue a bit may be the fact that Remington Arms stamps their final inspector stamps and assembly (product) codes in the immediate area of the date codes. So it may be difficult at times to determine exactly what is what. With that in mind, and considering a lot of variables. If a specific Remington firearm has a serial number, Remington Customer Service is always the first source which should be checked for date of manufacture as they would be the definitive source. There are no publically accessible databases for Remington serial numbers.
With the hundreds of different Remington models produced over the past 200 years, it can sometimes be difficult to determine the age of your firearm.
Overview
Since serial numbers were not required until 1968, your firearm may not have a serial number. For models without a serial number, we may be able to determine the age by the 2-3 letters that are stamped on the barrel. If your firearm does have a serial number, if you will call or email to the address below, the serial number and model number we can determine the approximate age of your firearm.
Contact Remington through their Help Center by e-mail at info@remington.com or call their historian at 1-800-243-9700 Mon-Fri 9-5 EST. (this number may not be operationa since Remington moved to the deep south).
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Springfield Armory Museum - Collection Record Springfield Armory Museum - Collection Record Send us your own about this object. Title: RIFLE, MILITARY - U.S. RIFLE MODEL 1917 ENFIELD.30 SN# 1 Maker/Manufacturer: MAUSER-ENFIELD Date of Manufacture: 1917 Eminent Figure: WILSON, WOODROW Catalog Number: SPAR 3192 Measurements: OL:117.4CM 46 1/4' BL: 66CM 26' 9.1 lbs.
Object Description: U.S. RIFLE MODEL 1917 ENFIELD.30 SN# 1 Manufactured by Winchester, New Haven, Ct.
In 1917 - Enfield P14 designed to accept.30-06 cartridge by merely adjusting the bore diameter. 5-round integral box magazine. Matte-blued finish with walnut stock.
5-groove rifling; lh, concentric. Leaf rear sight graduated to 1,600 yards. Well in buttplate for cleaning rod, etc.
Weighs approximately 9.1 lbs. This weapon was presented to President Woodrow Wilson on 23 January 1918. Winchester made a total of 465,980 M1917 Enfields. Markings: Receiver: U.S./W/1.
Ordnance bomb/Star in circle. Barrel: W/Ordnance bomb/7-17. Springfield Research Serivce: 1-Presented to Pres. Serial numbers compliments of Frank Mallory, armscollectors.com. Web site photo showing Springfield Armory Superintendent Doug Cuillard holding this weapon. Notes: The British temporarily broke away from the Lee-Enfield design and went with this Mauser-type action weapon in 1914.
Although the U.S. Was ostensibly neutral in 1914, that did not stop the British from contracting with Remington (Eddystone Arsenal) and Winchester for their P14 pattern rifle. Once the U.S. Entered the war in 1917 there was an immediate need for firearms as they were simply not enough M1903s to equip the new conscripts. From 1917-1918, over 2,200,000 M1917 Enfields were manufactured with Winchester supplying 465,980. Most of the 'doughboys' in WWI were actually outfitted with this substitute standard weapon, and not the standard M1903 rifle. Springfield and Rock Island managed only 270,000 1903s during World War I.
'When the United States entered the war, they needed more rifles than Springfield Armory could produce and accordingly turned to commercial manufacturers. They were already tooled up to produce the Enfield for the.303 British caliber and it was a small job for their engineering department to redesign a few of the tools and produce this rifle chambered for the.30/06 Springfield. Engineers went still further. The British Enfield Model 14 as produced in this country did not have completely interchangeable parts. Assembly, therefore, required the services of a skilled mechanic, who had to play around with a pile of parts and locate one which would fit.
This not only was impractical from a military standpoint, insofar as Ordnance engineers were concerned, but also, from a manufacturing standpoint, greatly increased the cost. The United States set to work in standardizing all parts, not only so that assembly could be speeded up but also so that parts from one factory would fit a rifle produced elsewhere. Previous to 1917 these three factories producing Enfields had established an individual assembly record of 50 rifles in one working day for one man. After we had standardized the Enfield the assembly record was 280 rifles a day while the assemblers in the various plants average 250 rifles per day per man. The Eddystone plant finished its British contract on June 3, 1917.
Winchester produced its last British rifle June 28, and Ilion on the 21st. Winchester delivered the first of the modified Enfields to the United States August 18, while Eddystone first produced September 10, and Ilion October 28. The progress was extremely rapid from that point on. During the week ending February 2, 1918, production of military rifles in the United States was 9,247, of which 7,805 were modified Enfields and 1422 were Springfields built at Springfield Armory and Rock Island Arsenal. Total production for that week was 50,873 guns of both types. Ten months after we declared war on Germany, the United States was producing in one week four times as many rifles as Great Britain had turned out in a similar period after then months of war an our production was ten twice as large in volume as Great Britain achieved throughout the war.
An interesting fact little known is that despite the fact that the Armistice took place November 11, 1918, at the eleventh hour, all military production in the United States was stopped November 9, 1918. Apparently, the Armistice wProduction of Enfields at Eddystone Arsenal was 1,181,908. At Winchester the number was 465,980 and at Ilion 545,541.
This Enfield Model 1917 was made only in.30/06 caliber. Also looking back on the Enfield it is interesting to note that this standardization save a great deal of money to the United States. The cost of the Model 1914 Enfield to the British Government was $42.00 each. These modified Enfields cost the United States Government, due to standardization methods, approximately $26.00 each. A total production of 2,202,429 Model 1917 Enfields saved the United States Government $37,441,293 over and above the British cost, if figured on the price to the British. The Enfield rifle did retain one peculiar feature. Despite the fact that the United States changed the chambering tools to those of the.30/06 cartridge, they still retained the large-bore dimensions of the.303 British.
Bore diameter was retained at.30. There were five groove of uniform left-hand twist whereas the Springfield had a right-hand twist, one turn in 10 inches. Width of grooves was.0936 and width of lands the same. Depth of grooves was.005. Hence the average Enfield barrel measured in grooves diameter from.310 to.311. A great many of these examined by this author measure as great as.313' - Philip B.
Sharpe 'Early U.S. Enfield Serial Numbers. Enclosed are two photos of a U.S.
M1917 Enfield with receiver markings unlike any of the four M1917 Enfields that I have owned in the past and present. The rifle is obviously a very early Winchester because of the four-digit serial number and the 'W' stamped on the receiver, as opposed to the normal six-digit number on the typical U.S. M1917 Enfield, etc.
Can you help me identify this rifle? The Winchester Model of 1917 with the 'W' and serial number on the receiver is an early production variant. The first approximately 5,000 M1917 rifles manufactured by Winchester were marked in this manner.
This variant is pictures and mentioned in my book U.S. Infantry Weapons of the First World War. It is a standard production version and not any sort of prototype rifle. An early production Winchester M1917 rifle with this receiver marking format would probably be worth a premium of at least 25 percent over a Winchester M1917 with the typical receiver markings, assuming comparable condition and degree of originality. AMERICAN RIFLEMAN, May 2005 'Wilson was a great man but he had one basic fault. He was willing to do anything for people except get off their backs and let them live their own lives.
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Remington M1917 Rifle
Winchester 1917 Serial Numbers
- Raymond Robins U.S. ENFIELD M1917 RIFLE.30: EDDYSTONE ARSENAL 1917 174160 MANUFACTURED 19 MANUFACTURED REMINGTON ARMS 1917 26364 MANUFACTURED 1918 519177 MANUFACTURED WINCHESTER REPEATING ARMS 1917 102363 MANUFACTURED 1918 363617 MANUFACTURED Total: 2193429 References: Sharpe, Philip B.
The Rifle In America. Funk and Wagnalls. UNITES STATES MARTIAL & COLLECTOR ARMS. Military Arms Research Service.
San Jose, Ca. Walter, John. RIFLES OF THE WORLD. DBI Books, Inc. Northbrook, Il.
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